Open Thread: 2014

New Years Eve

So the year is done.  And a damn good year its been, too–both in terms of this site and life in general.  As relates to the former, the site has seen an influx of new activity–a lot of it, admittedly, based on the most recent cartoon series and its many shortcomings–which has brought in some new regular commenters I’ve become quite fond of.  What’s more, progress has been made, to some degree on new fan fiction–some of which I hope will actually be completed before 2014 is over.  In fact, if I have a new year’s resolution it is just that: to be able to focus on fan fiction and actually finish it, for once.

Also, to respond to comments more quickly.

In any case, some highlights of the year:

How about y’all?

The rules: This is an open thread, which means that you can write about whatever you’d like in the comments, as long as it remains within the bounds set by the comment policy.  Discussions taking place in previous Open Threads–which will be closed after this one goes online–can also be continued here.

Open Thread: Love, Actually

Mistletoe

TMNT is is still on hiatus, and the next posts on the pipeline–my review of the first “Secret Origins” episode and my essay on Iago / Coldsteel– aren’t finished yet.  So have at it.

The rules remain the same: This is an open thread, which means that you can write about whatever you’d like in the comments, as long as it remains within the bounds set by the comment policy.  Discussions taking place in previous Open Threads–which will be closed after this one goes online–can also be continued here.

ETA: Here’s a list, for reference, of the romantic relationships to be canonically established in both shows, either as possibilities, or couplings that actually occurred–at least those that I remembered.  If you have anything to say about any of them, or about either show’s approach to romance in general, feel free to do so.

Gargoyles

  • Goliath / Demona
  • Goliath / Elisa
  • Goliath / Delilah
  • Elisa / Morgan
  • Elisa / Jason
  • Brooklyn / Demona
  • Brooklyn / Maggie
  • Brooklyn / Angela
  • Brooklyn / Katana
  • Lexington / Angela
  • Lexington / Staghart
  • Broadway / Angela
  • Princess Katharine / Tom
  • Princess Katharine / The Magus
  • Xanatos / Fox
  • Demona / Macbeth
  • Demona / Thailog
  • Hyena / Coyote (Robot)
  • Dingo / Robyn Canmore
  • Diane Maza / Peter Maza
  • Macbeth / Gruoch
  • Othello / Desdemona
  • Desdemona / Iago
  • Derek / Maggie
  • Halcyon Renard / Anastasia Renard
  • Thailog / Delilah
  • Una / Leo
  • Una / Griff
  • Yama / Sora
  • Oberon / Titania
  • Delilah / Malibu

TMNT

  • April O’Neil / Casey Jones
  • Stainless Steel Steve / Battling Bernice
  • Battling Bernice / Doctor Dome
  • Karai / Dr. Chaplin
  • Hamato Yoshi / Tang Shen
  • Tang Shen / Yukio Mashimi
  • Adam McKay / Chikara
  • Cody Jones / Starlee Hambrath
  • Leonardo / Karai *
  • Donatello / April *

Open Thread: Family

Remembrance

One of the chief themes in both Gargoyles and TMNT is family, and the argument that it need not be based on biological ties to be important, fulfilling, or legitimate.  Thus, both series are full of characters who end up forming surrogate families: Elisa is adopted into the Manhattan Clan; April emphatically declares that the turtles’ problems are her own; Katharine, Tom, and the Magus become the parents to the eggs; even villains get into the act, forming families of their own, which inevitably turn disfunctional.

Now, the question for the thread is: has there ever been a moment in either show–or any other work–which made you go “this is so my family”?  It doesn’t necessarily have be positive, although please keep in mind to please tag any material which you think might be triggering.

For me, it’s the scene in “The Ultimate Ninja” where the turtles, Splinter, Casey and April decide to have movie night, followed by an ice-cream run.  While the two things don’t usually go together for us in quite the way they do here, they are both things which we’ve definitively taken part of, and the normalcy presented in these scenes does a lot to help me buy into the concept of the extended Hamato Clan as a family.

Gargoyles, on the other hand, doesn’t really have any scenes with which I can identify in the same manner–in fact, it wasn’t until just recently that I realized that there isn’t really a scene where the entire Manhattan Clan is interacting together on a casual basis.  The closest we get is the Halloween party in “Eye of the Beholder”, in which not only are Hudson and Bronx absent, but the group has been split into the familiar Trio / Goliath+Elisa sub-units.

And yet, this isn’t necessarily unrealistic or any less optimal: families interact in various different ways, and no one way is universally ideal.  While casual familial interaction did not play as large a part of Gargoyles as I might have hoped, I do think there’s still plenty of evidence showing that they all cared for each other–just not in a way that I can directly relate to.

The rules remain the same: This is an open thread, which means that you can write about whatever you’d like in the comments, as long as it remains within the bounds set by the comment policy.  There will be an ice-breaker comment by me–see below–but one is under no obligation to adhere to it.  Discussions taking place in previous Open Threads–which will be closed after this one goes online–can also be continued here.

Unwound: “The Cage”

“You’re just the experiment.” — David Xanatos

The Cage

Written by: Lydia C. Marrano
Original Air Date: November 16, 1995
Introduces: Beth Maza (Physical Presence); Vinnie Grigori (unnamed, 1st intentional, non-retconned appearance)
Timeline placement: December 19, 1995 – December 20
TMNT episode I could make a forced comparison to: “Triceraton Wars
[Content Note: Suicide, Depression, Ableism]

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Open Thread: Beginnings

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There’s no new Nick TMNT episode this week, and the next post on the pipeline–my review of Gargoyles‘ “The Cage”– isn’t finished yet.  I don’t want to just not post anything, so let’s try this again.

The rules remain the same: This is an open thread, which means that you can write about whatever you’d like in the comments, as long as it remains within the bounds set by the comment policy.  There will be an ice-breaker comment by me–see below–but one is under no obligation to adhere to it.

It has recently been brought to my attention that it’s been ten years and a day since “Triceraton Wars“–the last TMNT episode reviewed here–first aired.  It reminded me of how I first found out about the series, via a thread on Madman’s Cafe message boards on the then-recently announced series.  As a fan of the original series and the Archie books, my interest was immediately piqued, although it wouldn’t be until the show’s third week on the air that I would first catch it.

Gargoyles, on the other hand, I first found about, I think, via commercials back when the show was first airing.  My first exposure was by catching part of “Awakening: Part Four“–specifically, the moment when Elisa first sees Goliath turn to stone–on the way to watching something else.  After that, it’d be years before I’d think about the show again, which happened via the old DC Comics.com message boards.  This was back somewhere between 2001-2003, and the general topics board had an animation thread; there, someone mentioned how cool the show had been, an impression that stayed with me until I finally decided to catch an episode during a Toon Disney late night airing some time later–possibly as I waited for The Big-O and/or Witch Hunter Robin to air on Cartoon Network.    My first episode was “Vows“, which makes for a not ideal introduction but held my interest enough for me to stay for the next episode, which got me hooked.

So, my question to y’all: what was your first interaction with TMNT, Gargoyles, or some other piece of fiction you consider formative or significant?