TMNT (2012) New Episode Open Thread (Spoilers)

But first, a plug: if you haven’t seen it, the first part of my visual history of April O’Neil series is up at my other blog.  Like the name indicates, it’s a look at the way the character of April has evolved over the years, which is something I think is rather interesting for a number of reasons.

And now that that’s done…

Slash and Destroy

Slash is one of those characters who got really popular during the nineties era of the franchise, and is now experiencing  a renaissance of sorts.  He’s already made several appearances in the IDW comic, and now he’s making his cartoon debut, where he appears to have been recontextualized as a mutated version of Raph’s pet turtles Spike.

While I’m not a terribly big fan of Slash–he’s always felt like a cool design in search of a character–and I’m especially not a fan of mutating Spike to get him, I kinda sorta feel this episode might turn out okay.  Raph hasn’t gotten a huge amount of focus episodes, and this one feels like the best-conceived of the lot.  If we can get something like what we got with Michelangelo and Leatherhead, then this episode might just turn out OK.

As always, post your thoughts, positive, negative, or meta-filled in the comments.  Also, a question: who are your favorite “other” turtles?  Turtles characters who are not Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, or Raphael?

ETA: Post-Mortem:

Some have already called this episode the best of season 2, and I agree.   In fact, I was left wishing that this had been a two-parter, since this episode really deserved more space to breathe.  While the episode we got was quite good, I wanted to see the other turtles deal with Slash in a context other than a smackdown, and have the five turtles face off against an enemy before Slash turned on them.

Random Thoughts:

  • It irks me that the turtles appear to take a lab accident far more seriously than they do stuff like them botching the operation in the season premiere.
  • The series really needs someone on staff to point out obvious inconsistencies: just how is it that a three-foot drop is enough to cause the contents of a mutagen canister to spill at the beginning, while a canister that is subjected to far more abuse remains intact?
  • While I really liked Leo being forced to have tea with the little girl, the lead-up to that, I thought, was mostly superfluous, with the series of contrived coincidences leading the canister from point A to be B feeling a bit too contrived to be humorous.  I probably would have found it hilarious if I were seven, but I can’t imagine any other context where it’d be similarly funny.  The payoff was fantastic, though.
  • Neither Michelangelo nor Donatello did anything to annoy me this episode, which I think counts as a small miracle.  Please, writers, more of this.
  • No wait, there was the fact that Mike ruined Raph’s magazines, but even this wasn’t too bad, since it’s perfectly in character for him and he was called out on it immediately.
  • Just how is the Mutagen Tracker supposed to work, by the way?  How is it that is suddenly detects mutagen it had not detected before, and isn’t set off by the mutagen in the lair?
  • I find it incredibly curious that Raph had an interest in vintage martial arts magazines since he was nine. There’s a story there.



I finally got a copy of Gargoyles Season 2 Volume 2.  Yay!

Also, “Monsters” is a much better episode than I remembered it being.

Losers: “Turtles in Space — Part Five: Triceraton Wars”

“I’m afraid the only sensible solution is to blast me into scrap metal right now.” Professor Honeycutt, the Fugitoid


Written by: Marty Isenberg
Original Air Date: December 6, 2003
Recap Narrator: Donatello
Characters and Concepts Introduced: Zog (Unnamed)
Gargoyles episode I could make a forced comparison to:Awakening, Part Two

[Content Note: Suicide, Euthanasia]

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TMNT (2012) New Episode Open Thread (Spoilers)

Target - April O´Neil

“Follow the Leader” and “Mutagen Man Unleashed” have easily been my favorite episodes this season.  Not coincidentally, they heavily featured Karai and April, respectively. This week’s episode apparently focuses on both, so despite last weeks execrable episode and my complete contempt for Ciro Nieli, I have hopes for this one.

As always, post your thoughts, positive, negative, or meta-filled in the comments.


[Content Note: Suicide]

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Why I Like Elisa Maza

I fear I have been neglectful.  Despite this space’s attempt at being equal parts a TMNT (2003) and a Gargoyles blog, a cursory look at the actual posts would be enough to tell anyone that the amount of material on the turtles (or, more properly, the franchise as a whole) surpasses the amount of material on the gargoyles  by a rather steep margin.  While this is to some degree inevitable–Nick continues to produce new TMNT material, meaning there’s an ongoing conversation which gives me quite a bit to talk about, in a way that  Gargoyles can’t–the fact that this is the case upsets me.

Thus, this little side-project, which draws more than a little bit of inspiration from Cameca‘s  Why I Like Doctor Who Tumblr.  Like that page, the idea is to simply write a bit about Gargoyles characters and concepts I like and feel like talking about, with a mostly positive slant.  And to begin with, we have series costar Elisa Maza.


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Guys! Guys! Look look look look!

After two months, it’s finally here!


Note:  Tumblr link , for anyone who wants to share.

Design: Ian Pérez (that’d be me) and MadSeason, with additional guidance from Kahaeli.

Art: Madseason

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Ciro Nieli and Female Characters in TMNT Open Thread

So this happened.

Long story short: the people behind the “Shellshocked” TMNT Podcast recently interviewed Ciro Nieli, executive producer of Nick’s TMNT.  Eventually, he was asked about the possibility of seeing new female characters in season 2 of the show, which he answered in the manner transcribed here by fan Tea.

Some highlights:

“I HAVE talked about other girls showing up, with me and the writing staff. How often they’re in it and how much they will replay, I don’t know – definitely not as much as April or Karai, but you know, here’s the thing about these action shows in general is that – and this happens ALL THE TIME – and it’s basically… any time a girl’s on the show, they’re usually too powerful. And it’s just the nature of a girl for some reason, I don’t know what it is, I mean, this happened on Teen Titans, we had trouble kinda limiting Starfire and Raven’s powers; it happens with Wonder Woman, it happened on my Super Robot Monkey show, with this character named Jinmei, it’s just like, and I’m afraid— I’ve been fighting it with April, with where we’re going with her, is to not, you know, not let her get too powerful. And it’s hard, sometimes guys are a lot cooler and easier to deal with within these cartoons”


“So, the fact that we have a good girl and a bad girl already, I think we’re kinda maxed out a little there. That being said, Cipes bugs me on a daily basis to get him a girlfriend on the show.”

Friend of the blog Darth Empress wrote a post about the interview on her Tumblr expressing her disappointment at the news, sparking several conversations within the Tumblr-verse, which included people like TMNT artist and all-around awesome gal Sophie Campbell.

Talk about the interview, Ciro Nieli, and / or sexism in TMNT and Western Animation here.