Open Thread: Turtles (or Gargoyles) in Time (Spoilers)

OR: Ian’s cynical ploy to capitalize on today’s increased TMNT-related internet traffic.

So there’s a new episode of the 2012 TMNT out today, the first in a good long while.  I’ll admit I haven’t been following the series all that closely, as I don’t get Nickelodeon in my house, so watching new episodes now requires more effort than I’m sometimes willing to spend.  Still, this episode is special, because we are (finally?) getting one of my favorite-ever TMNT characters.


From Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time #1. Art by Sophie Campbell.


Now, do I have any faith they’ll do right by her?  Surprisingly, I’m actually not all that fearful: Renet–or at least the incarnation of her seen in “Time Travails” and the 2003 series–is one of the few characters whose personality is already largely in line with the Nick show’s sensibilities so I don’t expect anything too horrible to be done with her.  Then again, the show could always surprise me.

Anyways!  Time travel.  Talk about your favorite TMNT or Gargoyles stories involving time travel, be they from the cartoons or any other source.  What’s your favorite approach to time travel?  Is it Gargoyles’ “everything occurs because it did”?  Or do you prefer the everything goes chaoticness of the Timey-Wimey Ball?  What stories would you have most liked to see in the proposed Gargoyles spin-off TimeDancer?  Talk about it here!  And heck, if you have anything to say about today’s new episode, feel free to share that also.

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Things Can Be Reversed: “Return to the Underground”

“Him and his big ideas.  ‘C’mon guys, let’s go down to the underground city! We’ll have some laughs!’ WE’LL GET EATEN!”— Michelangelo


Written by: Marty Isenberg

Original Air Date: March 6, 2004

Teaser Narrator: Donatello

Characters and Concepts Introduced: Turtle Tunneler

Gargoyles episode I could make a very forced comparison to: N/A

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Shopping like it’s 1995

Things I got at the mall today:

  • Person of Interest Season 3 (DVD)
  • Frames for my two Babs Tarr prints, so I can finally hang them up after buying them back in May.
  • The Trade Paperback for Magik: Storm & Illyana, rather fantastic X-Men mini-series.
  • A Kenner Elisa Maza action figure.

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Open Thread: Writing about oppression

So after working on my responses to some of the comments in my “Kingdom” post, I once again stumbled upon a Tumblr post which I feel is relevant to the discussion of Gargoyles and its issues with representation.

From the tumblr more of a lark than a dove (I believe):

i really like the advice “write marginalized characters but don’t write about marginalization unless you experience it”

absolutely i think cis people should expand their horizons and write trans characters, but they shouldn’t write stories about being trans. likewise i think allistic / NT authors should write about autistic characters! but not stories about being autistic. 

represent us. absolutely. but don’t tell our stories. let us do that.

Now, I’m fairly certain I disagree, largely because it feels fundamentally at odds with what fiction is supposed to be.  Secondly, it opens the question of where exactly works like Gargoyles and the X-Men lie, particularly since these sorts of works tend to be most effective precisely when they most mirror the experiences of real peoples and groups.

On the other hand, when I read about how Sense8, a series ostensibly about people from all over the world, cannot achieve its global vision as long as the creative forces driving it are exclusively white, exclusively western and almost exclusively male, I can’t help but nod. I look at episodes like “Heritage” and its complete failure to tell a story about the Haida people, and I start thinking it’s not such bad advice at all.  And so, therefore, I’m left pondering, and then pondering some more.

What do y’all think?

P.S.: Watch Sense8.

And that’s why you always leave a note: “Kingdom”

“You wanna be in charge? Speak now, or hold your peace.” — Talon vlcsnap-2015-03-09-15h41m32s231 Written by: Marty Isenberg and Robert Skir

Original Air Date: February 5, 1996

Introduces: Al, Chaz, Lou

Timeline placement: January 4 – 5, 1996

TMNT episode I could make a forced comparison to: “Garbageman

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Demona spotted at Puerto Rico Comic Con 2015

Unfortunately, I didn’t think to take their name (ETA: it’s Marie Louise Cruz–thank you, commenter Omar Feliciano) for proper accreditation, or do much more than take a picture.  Comic Con in general was a blast, but I was especially stoked to see Gargoyles getting some love. WP_20150523_005 Actual new reviews up soon, guys. School just let up, so I can finally put the finishing touches on my “Kingdom” essay.

Leatherhead! “What a Croc”

“If I do not have the Transmat…if I cannot be with the Utroms, then life is meaningless.”–Leatherhead vlcsnap-2015-01-19-12h48m43s70 Written by: Ben Townsend Original Air Date: February 28, 2004 Teaser Narrator: Michelangelo Characters and Concepts Introduced: Leatherhead (Proper Introduction) Gargoyles episode I could make a very forced comparison to: “The Cage” Read more of this post


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